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Monday, October 10, 2011

Karna & Arjuna

Most of the times fans of these two legendry archers are keep arguing on which one had upper hand. In terms of archery it’s a tough call between these two as Krishna/Bhisma praised both. And Krishna also knows that without his help Arjuna can’t win over Karna. But in terms of character Karna win quite easily. Whoever read Mahabharata falls in love with character of Karna. People says that despite his great character Karna fought for evil but try to put yourselves in shoes of Karna and try to judge his decisions. When whole world was standing against you a person comes and help you and treat you as his own brother would you live him in hour of need, would you? And Mahabharata war is a war of greed not a war of need. Suyodhana wasn’t a bad king and neither anyone can deny the right of Suyodhana on the throne of Hastinapur. There are few misdeeds done by Suyodhana and he was way ahead in terms of evil in compare to Pandavas. But after Mahabharata war Pandavas left Suyodhana way behind in terms of evil. So it’s also hard to decide who is evil.

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33 comments:

  1. i love character of Karna. He bears characters which were equal to combined characters of all pandavas.He is a real hero

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  2. Arjuna invulnerable without Lord Krishna- these statements are added by Vaishnava traditions to enhance Krishna's divine status and position.

    If it were so, how did Arjuna defeat Drupad's massive army without even having met Lord Krishna that time????? He had only his 4 brothers with him while Karna was accompanied with 100 Kauravas and Hastinapur's army.

    Karna could not rescue Duryodhan from the Gandharvas while Arjuna did this work without Lord Krishna's presence.

    Arjuna alone defeated Karna and the other maharathis in the Virat war here too without Lord Krishna.

    This clearly proves that Arjuna was without Lord Krishna.

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  3. Karna dosent desreve much praise for his goodness. Why did he give the idea of disrobing Panchali??? Why did he not condemn Duryo for burning the Pandavas in the wax palace????

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  4. Arjuna was the greatest hero of mb. No one can challange that. In Mahabharata every one has fallen from grace in some way or the other. For eg Bhima. After the war he kept misbehaving with the blind couple. He infact gave a detailed account of how he killed all the kauravas in dhritharashtras and gandharis presence knowing how painful it would be for them to hear about it. Coming to Panchali the people who hurt her most were not Duryodhana or Karna it was Ashwatthama and Kripacharya a Saintly man who was well respected by Pandavas. These 3 had got her sons killed.
    Karna was under Duryodhanas debt. Duryodhana who did not take the advice of bheeshma guru drona do you think he will listen to Karna.? Duryodhana had befriended Karna for help in battle with Pandavas not take sermons from him.
    So Karna reprimanding Duryodhana for lakshagraha is noncotextual.

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  5. Whatever, but tolerating adharma is bad anyway. Wax palace episode was tragic. But Karna tolerating this was almost as siding adharma. Duryo and Karna hurted Panchali the most. It was Karna who gave the idea to disrobe her and Duryodhana who ordered it. Ashwatthama respected Draupadi and condemend the Kauravas for her insult before the Virat war.

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  6. Yes Tolerating adharma is bad. Bhishma also did that. So many of adharmas of Kauravas took place in his presence. Still in the end he was venerated by both Sri Krishna and Pandavas. The vastrahana is a black mark on Karnas character. There is a black mark on everybody’s character. Harping on Karnas insult to Draupadi does not nullify the black marks of Kripacharya, Ashwatthama, Bhima and others. Understand the psychology of Karna. He wanted to prove he was better than Arjuna. If Arjuna dies in wax palace then how he gets to prove that he is better archer than Arjuna ?. Hence its common sense that Karna was not a willing party to wax palace.

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  7. Does Karna have to wait for Arjuna to die in the wax palace???
    That's, not a warrior's way. If he has to prove superiority over Arjuna, he should fight him in a fair war.

    Bhishma deserved a lot of respect. He was a great man. How come Kripachary has a bad character ??? Ashwatthama did that bad act of killing a foetus. But apart from that he was a good person. Even after his father's death, he told Duryodhan to make peace with the Pandavas.

    Bhima was sure tough talker but sided dharma and virtue.

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  8. Mr. Kotian. I don’t think you have understood my posting. Let me analyze your posting
    “ If he has to prove superiority over Arjuna, he should fight him in a fair war” that’s my point he wanted to prove himself superior to Arjuna hence he cannot be party to any concocted plan to get Arjuna killed by any other means and cant be blamed. You say Bheeshma deserved respect and ask a question how come Kripacharya has bad character. No where I have said that Bheeshma does not deserve respect or Kripacharya has bad character but they have done controversial things in their life. Kripacharya joined hands with Ashwatthama to kill innocent people after the war including Draupadis 5 sons just for personal vendetta. Duryodhan was on his death bed and the war was already over. It was not only the foetus but they killed the sons of draupadi while they were sleeping. Please understand this. Your statement that Ashwatthama killed only foetus is fabricated statement. Your feeble attempt to defend Bhima by saying Bhima was sure tough talker but sided dharma and virtue is nothing but false glorification sharp words are also capable to hurt helpless people bad real bad. Bhimas behavior or rather misbehavior with the blind couple is inacceptable. You say Bhima sided with Dharma and virtue. Siding with dharma and virtue and individuals character are different aspects. Drupad sided with dharma betrayed drona. Drona sided with adharma but was loyal to dhitharashtra who appointed him guru of the princes and helped him financially. Today coaches of India receive Dronacharya award. Its Drona who is glorified. There is no Drupad award. Siding with dharma point is also non contextual. What made stalwarts like Bheeshma, Drona and Karna side with Duryodhana was a philosophy. They knew that Duryodhana was evil.

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  9. The actual war was not over as many people think. The reality of the war was Duryoyodhan and he himself said that until he is alive the war will go on. The war could end only on his death.
    So Ashwatthama waited till he could kill the Pandavas till his death. And you blame him for killing those innocent 5 children of Pandavas is also non contextual. Ashwatthama didnt know that they were actually the son's of Pandavas due to the darkness at night. He killed them thinking to be the Pandavas. His thinking had a genuine reason too. Remember how the Pandavas cunningly killed his father by uttering a terrible lie. Drona laid down his arms and sat in meditation. And was beheaded in the presence of Pandavas. Duryodhan's deceitful defeat added more anger. Was it not deceit of the Pandavas?? Was it not natural for Ashwatthama to take vengeance???

    And Bhima did not misbehave with the blind couple as you say. He spoke harshly only with Dhritarashtra and not Gandhari. Was it not provoking though??

    Dhritarashtra many times sided Duryodhan's adharmic ways knowingly too. Pandavas knew about this. Game of dice, Draupadi's disrobing, another dice game, 12 years exile, agyaat vaas were taken place in Dhritarashtra's presence inspite of being a king. Due to too much attachment for his son, he did not stop his son from doing his wicked ways. Bhima knew all this. Was it not right for Bhima to blame the king???? He with his brothers suffered a lot because of this. Bhima was right in making the king realise his folly. Anyone else too would have done the same. Isnt it???

    Bhishma and Drona were helpless as they ate the salt of Hastinapur but their blessings of victory were towards the pandavas. They did not bless Duryodhan.

    And you say siding with dharma is non contextual. How come??? Dharma is what makes a good human being to the society. The pandavas would not have tolerated disrobing of any women(excluding Draupadi incident). Unlike Karna who was shamelessly smiling at Draupadi's disrobing.

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    2. karna should not insulted the Draupdi..but remember brother it was not karna first,it was draupdi first who insulted the karna in her swaymbar.you think only a lady could do so.karna was sorry for this and he confessed that but i think draupdi never feel sorry about her behaviour in her swaymbar.

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  10. Mr. Kotian. Firstly I would request you to stop behaving like a womans rights acitivist who thinks that injustice is something happens only when a woman is suffering from unethical behavior. Adharma ya kapat kapat hi hota hai chaahe voh kisi ke saath kiya gaya ho. Man ya woman. Let me quote you “ So Ashwatthama waited till he could kill the Pandavas till his death. And you blame him for killing those innocent 5 children of Pandavas is also non contextual. Ashwatthama didnt know that they were actually the son’s of Pandavas due to the darkness at night. He killed them thinking to be the Pandavas. His thinking had a genuine reason too. Remember how the Pandavas cunningly killed his father by uttering a terrible lie. Drona laid down his arms and sat in meditation. And was beheaded in the presence of Pandavas.” Jaan ke khushi hui ki pandava ke kapat or deceit ko acknowledge kiya gaya hai. Your second quote “The pandavas would not have tolerated disrobing of any women(excluding Draupadi incident).” Ha ha this is the numero uno of all fabrications. Pandavas did nothing when their own wife whom they loved was getting disrobed and tolerated. Is baat ki kya guarantee ha that they would not tolerate this in future for a wife of a person whom they hate. In any case using would have could have is not substantial proof. Its more assuming or concluding. That even I can say Karna would never cut an arm of a warrior something which Arjuna did to Bhurishrava. Bhishma and Drona did not bless Duryodhana. Karna on his part also did not capture Yudhishthira alive and end the war when he had the chance. He too contributed to dharma. I will get back to Bhimas misbehavior. What Dhritarashtra did was wrong but what Bhima did was also wrong 2 wrongs dont make a right.

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  11. First of all I do not know whether you have respect/ soft corner for the dignity of a woman. Else you wouldn't have said that way. And it is baseless on your part for dragging the "woman activist" thing here.Whatever the fact, tolerating injustice on women is truly unvirtue and ill.

    And its totally rubbish comment of yours that there is no guarantee that Pandavas would have saved any other woman. I agree they did nothing during the Draupadi incident. Bhima was about to stop that but he was stopped by Yudhistira that time. The thing was they themselves lost to the dice game and became slaves of Duryodhan as per the rules.
    They may have done nothing but wasnt it Bhima who tore Dushasan's chest, broke his arm and killed him?? Did not he brutally kill Duryodhan too??? Its because he swore to do that after they did that to Draupadi. This shows he loved her dearly. Arjuna too boiled with anger for Draupadi.
    How can you say that Pandavas would not save any other woman?? I believe they would have. They were virtueos, dharmic, devotees and pure hearted. How can anyone blame them for your so called " no guarantee" thing????

    Let me also tell you that it was Bhima and Arjuna who rescued Draupadi from Jaydrath. It was Bhima who brutally killed Kichak and an Asura Jatasura after they tried to molest Draupadi. Can you still give any explanation???? They never tolerated any trouble on Drupadi.

    And of Arjuna cutting Bhurishravas arm. BHurishrava was fighting Satyaki. The latter was weaponless and injured and not in conscience. Still Bhurishrav came to kill him which was against not only dharma but also the war code. To save Satyaki from this adharmic and treachorous way, was it not fair on Arjuna's part to cut off that arm. Bhurishrav was with a weapon too. So there was no foul play on Arjuna here.
    And of Karna, did not he participate int treachorus and cowardly manner of killing Abhimanyu??? He broke Abhimanyu's bow from behind which was against the war code. Later he joined the others in killing that lone, weaponless, injured warrior who was also devoid of armour.

    Drona himself was unable to capture Yudhistir alive due to Arjuna's presence. Let alone KArna and the others.

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  12. I will answer your question because remaining is your personal opinion. “ whether you have respect/ soft corner for the dignity of a woman. Else you wouldn’t have said that way. .Whatever the fact, tolerating injustice on women is truly unvirtue and ill.
    Ans: I have a respect and soft corner for dignity ethics for all human beings. Anyay ek aise cheez hai jo kisi ke saath nahin hona chahiye. Tolerating injustice on any one is a no – no. Whether its Draupadi Drona or Eklavya or.any one else. Your points on Bhima and Arjuna protecting Draupadi were well made. However I might add your comment on Karna – Abhinayu scene is a total crap. If you are lacking in information please don’t speculate. If you read the Mahabharata properly you will realize that a maharathi does not need his bow to launch a counter attack. When Pandavas attacked Ashatthama at vedvyasas ashrama Ashwatthama did not have a bow to start with. He took a blade of grass converted it into an astra and fired it. So please realize that cutting a bow even from behind cannot be a serious offence. The killing of Abhimanyu was done by Dushasanas son not by Karna as shown in B.R. Chopras serial. Coming to Bhurishrava yes he was doing something unethical but Arjuna being an expert bow was more than capable of knocking he bow out of his hand or firing sammohan vana and temporarily stunning him. Cripling him from behind is also wrong and 2 wrongs don’t make a right. When Satyaki recovered he killed the crippled Bhurisharava that too when he was in meditation. Why didn’t Arjuna chastisize him then. Let alone stopping him. The Pandavas deceit in Dronas killing has already been admitted by you in your previous posting.

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  13. Your comment of Karna attacking from behind a crap??? I have read Ved Vyasa'a Mahabharat carefully. He has stated that it was impossible for the Kaurava heroes to kill Abhimanyu fairly. Drona told Karna to break Abhimanyu's bow Karna did this by going behind. Drona later broke Abhimayu's shield and sword. In this way Abhimanyu was armourless and weaponless.

    Abhimanyu was still invincible and kept attacking the enemies. But he was overpowered by the growing onslaught. He was already injured and alone unlike the KAurava warriors. Karna, Drona, Dushasan and his son, Kripa, Kritavarma, Ashwatthama surrounded the boy and attacked him fiercely even though they were being harrased by him. He killed many soldiers by broken wheel. It was Dushasan's son who gave a fatal blow on Abhimanyu's head by a mace from behind. Here isn't Karna not alone???? The Abhimanyu killing will be featured tommorow at Star Utsav at 5.00pm. I too have seen that but it was not that way. Dushasan's son killed him by the mace by striking it behind the head which killed Abhimanyu. But Karna was a party in accompanying the warriors against a lone hero.

    Pandavas did not attack Ashwatthama as you said. They were about to attack him but Ashwatthama let loose the Brahmastra.

    I agree that Arjuna did not reprimand Satyaki for his deceitful killing but Arjuna did what was right at the nick of time as he came there too late and was necessary to save Satyaki. Arjuna did not use any samohan astra as he avoided the use of divine weapons in the war.

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  14. I repeated that Arjuna did not use divine weapons because you yourself have asked that why didnt he use it??
    Ashwatthama used the grass blade and charged it at the Pandavas. So what??? Even Arjuna was capable of doing this. Since he had his bow and arrows, isnt it right on his part to use it??? He too charged the Brahmastra as only a Brahmastra could counter strike an other Brahmastra. There is is nothing down on Arjuna here as he did it in self defence.

    And I have not accused Karna of cutting Abhimanyu's bow as it is allowed and a common thing among warriors. What I said is attacking from behind is totally against the rules of warfare. KArna attacked from behind as told by Drona. WHy couldnt Karna do it front facing Abhimanyu???

    Of Karna parva I would say that there were warriors on Arjuna's side. Karna defeated all of them.KArna was too invincible I agree but the feats which you have described, Where were they during his fight against Abhimanyu???
    Abhimanyu too did all those what you mentioned of KArna. He alone killed thousands of warriors. He alone defeated Karna, Drona, Ashwatthama, Kripa, Kritavarma, Duryodhan, Dushasan, Bhrihadvala, Shakuni, Salya not only in archery but also in sword fight(after his bow was cut), mace fight and later when he was weaponless, he fought all of them unarmed while his legs were in the air so as to appear he had wings. Abhimanyu attacked so fiercely that he put Karna and his supporters to flight. If there was a single duel only between Karna and Abhimanyu things would be different.

    And of Karna parva which you have described are you sure they are from Ved Vyasa's work?? Because after his MB, many scholars and people have created their own MB adding many of their own ideas. Many of them were fans of Karna who have exaggerated Karna's generous and valorous qualities. One among them being that Karna shot an arrow which pushed Arjuna's chariot 10 feet away. And Krishna asks him that how was it possible with He Himself as the charioteer and Hanuman on the flag??? These stories have no origin in the Puranas.
    Because if it were so, how did Karna lose to Arjuna in the Virat war where the latter is all alone and Karna had all the best maharathis on his side???
    How did Karna lose to Drupad inspite of being accompanied with 100 Kauravas and Hastinapur's army??? Arjuna defeated and captured Drupad with only 4 brothers on his side.
    Karna could not rescue Duryodhan from the GAndharvas but in fact escaped to save himself. But Arjuna defeated the Gandharvas and rescued Duryodhan.

    Also you have said that the Pandava warriors attacked Karna while he was alone. Yudhisthira atleast wouldnt have done this.

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  15. I consider Arjuna to be the worst character in Mahabharata and a bad example of a human being and here's why:

    Today Hinduism/Indian culture is bashed by non-Hindus/non-Indians especially missionaries on two main issues – Treatment of women and Caste/Tribal discrimination. Arjuna practiced both caste/tribal discrimination and treated women badly.

    Most of the characters of Mahabharata are guilty of this but the reason why I’m singling out Arjuna is because he has been glorified excessively for being noble/heroic/manly when he clearly wasn’t. Even worse, excuses have been made for his actions.


    Caste/Tribal Discrimination:
    1) He was happy when Ekalavya lost his thumb.
    2) He constantly called Karna a sutputra.
    3) He burned to death Naga tribals including women and children at Khandav forest. (So much for so called rules of war)
    4) He got Naga tribal Uloopi pregnant and then left her instead of supporting her like a man.

    Treatment of women:
    1) He was lusting after Draupadi at the same time as his brothers. (Mahabharata clearly describes ALL five brothers thinking of her at night just before her swayamvara)
    2) He then shared Draupadi with his brothers.
    3) He burned to death Naga tribals including women and children at Khandav forest. (So much for so called rules of war)
    4) He got Naga tribal Uloopi pregnant and then left her instead of supporting her like a man.
    5) He got Chitrangadha pregnant and then left her instead of supporting her like a man.
    6) He eloped with Subhadra instead of asking for hand like a man.
    7) He then presents her as a milkmaid to Draupadi instead of introducing her properly.
    8) He stayed quiet when Draupadi was dragged by her hair and disrobed.
    9) He then prevented Bhima from killing Duryodhan and Dushasana then and there.
    10) During Gita he mentions women becoming corrupted/loose, etc when the men are dead.
    11) He didn’t bring his cousin sister Dushalla back home during Ashwamedh, after her son committed suicide. He just left her.
    12) Worst of all he abandoned Krishna’s female family members when they were kidnapped by robbers/tribals. He didn’t go down fighting to save their honour. He didn’t call for reinforcements. He didn’t even go back with an army for search and rescue. (This makes him the biggest coward and ungrateful in my opinion)


    I can think of even more reasons for other issues as well.

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  16. Almost all your comments dont carry weight or genuine reason.

    Arjuna kept quiet during Draupadi s time as he himlslf was lsost to Duryo and became his slave as per the rule of the game. But Arjuna later vowed to kill Karna.
    It was Arjuna who pledged to kill Karna that time front of everyone. It was Arjuna who rescued Drupadi from Jaydrath.

    Arjuna was not happy after Eklavyas finger was cut. Some ignorant fellow must have said this. He burnt the Khandav forest as he wanted to help a fire god to devour the forest to satisfy his hunger. Also there were many criminals and ghosts hiding in that forest. It was dangerous for anyone to roam there.
    Arjuna had no time for Uloopi. He had other tasks too. He was in exile and also was busy with his brothers and other work.

    Arjuna shared Draupadi is nothing wrong here. All the bros vowed that they will share with each other whatever they get. In her past life, Draupadi was blessed by Lord Shiva that she will get 5 great and powerful husbands. So in this birth, the boon took place . Whats wrong here????

    The Subhadra episode has a different story. Pls check it out. It was a custom for a kshatriya to either win her hand or elop her. Arjuna could not have a swayamvar as Balrama wanted Subhadra to marry Duryodhan whic Subhadra didnt want.She liked Arjuna and waited for Arjuna to carry her.

    WHhoever calls Arjuna a coward is totally ignorant and has hatred o i say simply nullyfying facts. Who in the world says that Arjuna is a coward??? He is one of the best heroes to be ever born in earth. He was peerless and feared none!!!!!!!!!!!!

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  17. Mr. Kotian let me quote you " Mr Niraj,
    First of all I request to you to stop indulging in blaming me for intentionely ignoring true facts of MB. I am displaying knowledge not of my own but purely for Ved Vyasa’s MB. - Let me add Mr. Kotian I am also doing the same. I also have quoted MB. It clearly mentions Karnas bhargavastra and battle day 16th where Karna put Arjuna and all his supporters to flight. You ask that why could not Karna do that at virata yudha. I ask why Arjuna could not defeat Karna on this battle day 16th. You say that these are fake incidences. Yes the chariot moving incident is fake but the bhargava astra incident and battle day 16th incident is quoted in MB. You are accusing Karna supporters of rewriting MB to suit Karna. that even I can say that ARjuna supporters have fabricated to glorify ARjuna. After all the battle of Kurukshetra was of 18th days and Pandavas to suffered heavy losses and had to use deceit a fact which you also have admitted in your postings.
    I have quoted MB where Krishna shows Arjunas chairot burning under the impact of weapons of Karna drona. your statement " Your Ashwatthama eg is baseless I say as there is no question here of proving superiority" I am 100 percent sure that you have misunderstood my statement as usual. this eg I gave was NOT to prove Ashwatthamas superiority. My purpose was to enlighten you of the fact that a maharathi does NOT need his bow to launch a counter attack hence Karnas cutting abhimanyus bow cannot be a serious offence. I will be the first to agree that Ashwatthama was inferior to both Arjuna and Abhimanyu.

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  18. Not all your comments are true.
    Make sure what you are saying are from Vyasa'a work . So many writers and scholars out there have made their own MB. Make sure what you say are from the Puranas.
    Not inviting Uloopi does not show any inferiority of Arjuna here. Thay lived far apart. Arjuna was never idle and was all time busy with his weapons, bros and other tasks too. Your comment of sharing Draupadi is too too sick and pathetic. Pandavas did swear to share what they got. No ?? of anything ridiculous here.

    There is nothing stupid here. Subadra eloped out of her own wish. Arjuna could have won her by swaymwar if he was determined to do so.

    Criticizers of Arjuna are too narrow in their outllook I say. WHy can they elaborate what good and heroic deeds Arjuna did??? They are countless of such things and these people cant stand it. They find lame excuses of throwing Arjuna in a poor light. They say things illogically and simply dont want to beleive true facts.

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  19. hmmm. tu hi kuch karega. pata tha mujhe. good job dude. learning milli mujhe kch nayi aaj.

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  20. Hello hello,
    hello hello

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  21. Hello Hello Hi Karte Rahoge Kya

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  22. re :Gaurav Kotian said...
    YOU SAY:
    Not all your comments are true.
    Make sure what you are saying are from Vyasa'a work . So many writers and scholars out there have made their own MB. Make sure what you say are from the Puranas.
    I SAY:
    I got my stuff from unabridged Mahabharata translated by Kisari Mohan Ganguly and abridged Mahabharata by Kamalla Subramaniam both of which are recognised as being close to authentic and available from Bharatya Vidya Bhavan and almost any temple shop. I suggest that you contact Bharatya Vidya Bhavan and the temples if you don't think that they are authentic.

    YOU SAY:
    Not inviting Uloopi does not show any inferiority of Arjuna here. Thay lived far apart. Arjuna was never idle and was all time busy with his weapons, bros and other tasks too.
    I SAY:
    I tell you what. Meet a girl who lives far from you, get her pregnant, then leave her. Tell me how it goes down with her family and society. If anyone critices you, give them Arjuna's example. lol

    YOu SAY:
    Your comment of sharing Draupadi is too too sick and pathetic. Pandavas did swear to share what they got. No ?? of anything ridiculous here.
    I SAY:
    I tell you what. When you get married, share your wife with your brothers/friends. Then tell me how that goes down with everyone involved. If anyone critices you, give them Arjuna's example. lol

    YOU SAY:
    There is nothing stupid here. Subadra eloped out of her own wish. Arjuna could have won her by swaymwar if he was determined to do so.
    I SAY:
    You try eloping with a girl instead of asking for her hand instead. Then tell me how that goes down with everyone involved. If anyone critices you, give them Arjuna's example. lol

    YOU SAY:
    Criticizers of Arjuna are too narrow in their outllook I say. WHy can they elaborate what good and heroic deeds Arjuna did??? They are countless of such things and these people cant stand it. They find lame excuses of throwing Arjuna in a poor light. They say things illogically and simply dont want to beleive true facts.
    I SAY:
    lol. And this is coming from someone who chooses what parts of Mahabharata to believe. And blindly believes everything he reads. You haven't even stated which version/author that you are quoting from. Also I suggest that you read up on military history, because when you talk about the Pandavas/Kauravas fighting, you make it sound like a pathetic bollywood movie.lol

    Also please note, saying it is Vyas's Mahabharata doesn't count. There are several versions of Mahabharata called Vyas's Mahabharata. Also as the original was written thousands of years ago, it has been re-written many times because no book whether on paper or leaf can survive that long. In other words the original Mahabhrata no longer exists, only copies.

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  23. Hey Guys,
    are you all watching Dwarkadhish Krishna on NDTV imagine?

    How do you like the actors that has been playing them?

    I do like Bhimsen,here he is been shown as very humble hulk kind of Guy. But the selection Arjun is a joke, he finds it tough to reach Yuddhistir shoulder .

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  24. Arjun was way better than Karna.

    If you have read the original Ved Vyas Mahabharat Book in detail then you would know that Karna's capabilities had been over-exagerated in B.R.Chopra's Mahabharat TV serial, so that the Battle between Karna & Arjun in the Mahabharat war could look more competitive & Fierce.

    The truth is, Arjun was the Greatest warrior of all time & Karna was never a match for Arjun.

    To proove the above lines, Kindly read the following points:

    Karna was defeated many times by many warriors, as follows-

    Arjun defeated Karna on 7 different Occasions- Thrice in Viraat Yuddha, once during Draupadi Swayamwar & thrice during Mahabharat War.

    Karna was defeated 8 to 10 times by Kunti-putra Bhima in Mahabharat War & Karna ran away to save his life. This was not shown in B.R.Chopra's Mahabharat TV serial. Karna only defeated Bhima once during the Mahabharat War, which was shown in B.R.Chopra's Mahabharat.

    Abhimanyu defeated Karna during the Chakravhiew War.

    Karna ran away after being defeated by Gandharvas who had captured Duryodhan. After which Arjun & Bhima defeats the Gandharvas to save Duryodhana. This shows that Karna was neither concerned for Duryodhan's friendship or for his Debt. Karna's only aim was to proove that he was the Greatest Archer & he never cared for Duryodhan's cause.

    Karna was also defeated along with the Kaurav army while battling with the Drupad for giving "Gurudakshina" to Drona.

    Karna was only relying on his "Shakti Weapon" to kill Arjun & not on his own abilities.

    Karna had no significant impact on the Mahabharat War.

    Regarding the Curses from which Karna was suffering, it looks like they were all made up to spice-up the MAHABHARAT story. We have to think practical. E.g. during our exams, we forget some of our answers due to exam tension....similarly Karna forgot how to envoke the 'Bramhastra' weapon during the fight with Arjun, due to the tension of fighting with Arjun. Similarly, when Karna's Car wheel dips in the earth, it was only sheer luck....Karna could have changed his Car immediately as a Maharathi like Karna always used to accompany many cars with them...But these situation have been spiced up in Mahabharat story with Curses & ill-fates.

    Also, Karna was equally involved in Planning the "Lakshagruh" event(Read the original Ved Vyas
    Mahabharat Carefully...this point will be proved).

    Now, regarding Arjun :

    Arjun was the Geatest warrior of all time

    Arjun was a decisive factor in the Mahabharat War...without him Pandavas would have never won the Battle...even if Krishna was fighting.

    Arjun had never ever been beaten by anyone.

    In the "Viraat yuddha" Arjun single-handedly defeated the whole Kaurav Army which included- Karna, Bhishma, Duryodhana, Dronacharya etc. & that too without the help of Krishna or a single soldier.

    Arjun could have killed Bhishma, Duryodhana, Dronacharya etc. easily if he wanted to in the Mahabharat War...But because of his reluctance to kill them...made Krishna to find other ways to kill them...Dont you remember how Arjun ran to kill Dristadyumna when he killed Dronacharya..

    Lord Shiva could only contain Arjun because of his Celestial weapons...but here we are talking about the warrior's personal fighting abilities....so Arjun prevails in that...also Arjun was physically weak & emaciated due to his 'Tapasya'..during this time.

    Arjun defeated the Gandharvas who had captured Duryodhan, after Karna ran away.

    Arjun also defeated Drupad for giving "Gurudakshina" to Drona & that too when he didnt have his 'Gandiva' Bow or Krishna for help.

    Hence, Arjun was the Geatest warrior of all time.

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  25. For all karna's Fans:

    (SOURCE-TRANSLATION OF ORIGINAL MAHABHARAT OF VYAS BY KESARI MOHAN GANGULY
    & WHICH IS THE ONLY PRECISE TRANSLATION AVAILABLE ON PUBLIC DOMAIN):



    Incident 1:Karna fled from battlefield from Arjuna(Virata Yudh):

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m04/m04060.htm




    Incident 2:Karna defeated by Gandharwa chitrasena:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03239.htm

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03240.htm




    Incident 3:Arjuna defeat Ghandarwas & rescued Duryodhan & kurus:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03243.htm

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m03/m03244.htm



    Incident 4:Karna defeated & freightened by Abhimanyu in chakruvyuhu:

    Hearing these words, Karna, afflicted with the shafts of Arjuna's son, once more said unto Drona, 'Exceedingly afflicted with the shafts of Abhimanyu, I am staying in battle, only because (as a warrior) I should stay here. Indeed, the arrows of this south of great energy are exceedingly fierce. Terrible as they are and possessed of the energy of fire, these arrows are weakening my heart.'

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m07/m07045.htm


    Incident 5:Karna's defeat at Draupadi Swayamvar by Arjuna!

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m01/m01193.htm



    What Karna's own friend Ashwathama & kripacharya think of karna:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m04/m04049.htm

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m04/m04050.htm




    what Lord Krishna think of karna's bravery:

    Krishna said(To Arjuna):.I swear by Truth to thee, O friend, that my limbs are burning at the thought that while the son of Subhadra was thus advancing, consuming the hostile army with his shafts, even on that occasion the wicked-souled Karna was engaged in acts of hostility to that hero,Unable, O Partha, to stay in that battle before Abhimanyu's face, mangled with the shafts of Subhadra's son, deprived of consciousness, and bathed in blood, Karna drew deep breaths, inflamed with rage. At last, afflicted with arrows, he was obliged to turn his back upon the field.

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08073.htm



    & Finally karna himself accepting Arjuna's supeority:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08079.htm




    FINAL KARNA ARJUNA BATTLE(DAY 17 OF MAHABHARATA):


    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08089.htm

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08090.htm

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m08/m08091.htm

    ACCORDING TO MY ANALYSIS OF THIS TRANSLATION IN THE FINAL BATTLE OF MAHABHARATA,ARJUNA & KARNA ASSAULTED EACH OTHER 35 TIMES WITH NUMEROUS, THOUSANDS & LAKHS OF ARROWS ………8 TIMES THEY NULLIFIED EACH OTHER ARROWS ,12 TIMES BOTH KARNA & ARJUNA PIERCED EACH OTHER BUT THE REMAINING 15 TIMES ARJUNA PIERCED KARNA IN EVERY PART OF HIS BODY & KARNA’S LIMBS,YOKE,STANDARD,STEEDS,CHARIOT WERE RIPPED APART & KARNA WAS LEFT MANGLED BATHED IN BLOOD & KARNA HAD NO ANSWER FOR ARJUNA’S ARROWS!!!



    Authenciaty of vyas original mahabharat by km ganguly:

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/maha/

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kisari_Mohan_Ganguli

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    1. This is Because Karna Promised to Kunti , That he will use all his astras against Arjun Only Once.

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  26. @Ahan Jaiswal You are a perfect example of a hijacked karna fan..A little knowledge is more dangerous than having none & you have prooved it!

    Kunti NEVER requested karna not to use nagastra twice..You are being fooled,as always, by your fellow karna fans..ur a victim of speculations & rumours..You should also remember that Arjuna didnt use the unfailing Vajra,Pashupatastra & irrestible Brahmashira astra on Karna despite Karna provoking Arjuna by using Bhargavastra,Brahmastra & Naagastra on Arjuna!!Frustation cant change facts dear...there is difference between facts & fiction!

    Visit the link below of original ved vyas MB regarding kunti karna conversation & find ur answer!

    http://www.sacred-texts.com/hin/m05/m05146.htm

    & FOR ALL THOSE WHO CALL ARJUNA INFERIOR TO KARNA,VISIT THIS LINK & FIND OUT THE TRUTH YOURSELF FROM ORIGINAL VEDA VYAS' MAHABHARATA TRANSLATION:

    https://www.facebook.com/karnavsarjuna

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    1. Akshadh Katyal and you're the best example of a jerk. :)
      You Said Arjuna restrained himself from using Divine weapons. False. Arjuna used Brahmastra on Trigatas , when he was surrounded and made unconsious by them. :P

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  27. U diot BRAHMASHIRA IS DIFFERENT FROM BRAHMASTRA!!Brahmastra is NOT dat powerfull astra to destroy entire universe & d three worlds u fool idiot stupid kid u piece of shit!!!even Karna used Brahmastra on Panchala army on jayadratha badh parva..Even Drona,Yudhistira,Satyaki, all used this Brahmastra in mb..Ur a pathetic fool making fun out of urself!!Ur knowledge of mb sucks man!!U cant compare Brahmastra to Brahmshira or Pashupata Astra u jerk..go to hell u pig..read mb u stupid!!shame on u wid such a pathetic knowledge of mb!!hahahaha..:P...really funny kid ur!!

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  28. @Akshadh Katyal why ur debating wid such an idiot who even dont know even d basics of mb..just see what this kid wrote..totally fake & false bullshit info & it had already been prooved wrong by u by quoting actual ved vyas mb texts..Just ignore this obsessed kid..He needs some proper medical attention!dont waste ur time debating with jerks like this kid..Let him live in his own fool paradise..so just chill & ignore this ignorant hijacked kid..!

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